Very little personal information about Cherokee black slaves was ever recorded and most of that has since been lost or destroyed. There are a few extant sources, however. The following interviews conducted during the 1930s, during President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s administration with the Works Progress Administration audio recordings of former slaves, gives voice to the many, many women and men who lived under chattel bondage in a hypocitical country that prided itself on being the freest nation on Earth for all of its citizens. Other sources of voices from the past of formerly enslaved black men and women can be found among the Foreman Papers (named after Grant Foreman who worked on these genealogical documentations under FDR’s WPA. The papers contain one hundred and twelve volumes of historical memoirs containing accounts of enslaved black women and men under the Five Civilized tribes, who lived before, and after, the Civil War), in their own words; the
Indian – Pioneer History Project for Oklahoma, conducted by William Gross; the WPA Oklahoma Slave Narratives; and the Ex-Slaves File of the Oklahoma Historical Society, which are the best examples. The following reminiscenses were recorded some seventy years after emancipation.
PHYLLIS PETITE
AGE 83
FORT GIBSON, OKLA.
I was born in Rusk County, Texas, on a plantation about eight miles east of Belleview. There wasn’t no town where I was born, but they had a church.
My mammy and pappy belonged to a part Cherokee named W. P. Thompson when I was born. He had kinfolks in the Cherokee Nation, and we all moved up here to a place on Fourteen-Mile Creek close to where Hulbert now is, ‘way before I was big enough to remember anything. Then, so I been told, old master Thompson sell my pappy and mammy and one of my baby brothers and me back to one of his neighbors in Texas name of John Harnage.
Mammy’s name was Letitia Thompson and pappy’s was Riley Thompson. My little brother was named Johnson Thompson, but I had another brother
sold to a Vann and he always call hisself Harry Vann. His Cherokee master lived on the Arkansas River close to Webbers Falls and I never did know him until we was both grown. My only sister was Patsy and she was borned after slavery and died at Wagoner, Oklahoma.
I can just remember when Master John Harnage took us to Texas. We went in a covered wagon with oxen and camped out all along the way. Mammy done the cooking in big wash kettles and pappy done the driving of the oxen. I would set in a wagon and listen to him pop his whip and holler.
Master John took us to his plantation and it was a big one, too. You could look from the field up to the Big House and any grown body in the yard look like a little body, it was so far away.
We negroes lived in quarters not far from the Big House and ours was a single log house with a stick and dirt chimney. We cooked over the hot coals in the fireplace.
I just played around until I was about six years old I reckon, and then they put me up at the Big House with my mammy to work. She done all the cording and spinning and weaving, and I done a whole lot of sweeping and minding the baby. The baby was only about six months old I reckon. I used to stand by the cradle and rock it all day, and when I quit I would go to sleep right by the cradle sometimes before mammy would come and get me.
The Big House had great big rooms in front, and they was fixed up nice, too. I remember when old Mistress Harnage tried me out sweeping up the front rooms. They had two or three great big pictures of some old people hanging on the wall. They was full blood Indians it look like, and I was sure scared of them pictures! I would go here and there and every which-a-way, and anywheres I go them big pictures always looking straight at me and watching me sweep! I kept my eyes right on them so I could run if they moved, and old Mistress take me back to the kitchen and say I can’t sweep because I miss all the dirt.
We always have good eating, like turnip greens cooked in a kettle with hog skins and crackling grease, and skinned corn, and rabbit or possum stew. I liked big fish tolerable well too, but I was afraid of the bones in the little ones.
That skinned corn aint like the boiled hominy we have today. To make it you boil some wood ashes, or have some drip lye from the hopper to put in the hot water. Let the corn boil in the lye water until the skin drops off and the eyes drop out and then wash that corn in fresh water about
a dozen times, or just keep carrying water from the spring until you are wore out, like I did. Then you put the corn in a crock and set it in the spring, and you got good skinned corn as long as it last, all ready to warm up a little batch at a time.
Master had a big, long log kitchen setting away from the house, and we set a big table for the family first, and when they was gone we negroes at the house eat at that table too, but we don’t use the china dishes.
The negro cook was Tilda Chisholm. She and my mammy didn’t do no outwork. Aunt Tilda sure could make them corn-dodgers. Us children would catch her eating her dinner first out of the kettles and when we say something she say: ‘Go on child, I jest tasting that dinner.’
In the summer we had cotton homespun clothes, and in winter it had wool mixed in. They was dyed with copperas and wild indigo.
My brother, Johnson Thompson, would get up behind old Master Harnage on his horse and go with him to hunt squirrels so they would go ’round on Master’s side so’s he could shoot them. Master’s old mare was named ‘Old Willow’, and she knowed when to stop and stand real still so he could shoot.
His children was just all over the place! He had two houses full of them! I only remember Bell, Ida, Maley, Mary and Will, but they was plenty more I don’t remember.
That old horn blowed ‘way before daylight, and all the field negroes had to be out in the row by the time of sun up. House negroes got up too, because old Master always up to see everybody get out to work.
Old Master Harnage bought and sold slaves most all the time, and some of the new negroes always acted up and needed a licking. The worst ones got beat up good, too! They didn’t have no jail to put slaves in because when the Masters got done licking them they didn’t need no jail.
My husband was George Petite. He tell me his mammy was sold away from him when he was a little boy. He looked down a long lane after her just as long as he could see her, and cried after her. He went down to the big road and set down by his mammy’s barefooted tracks in the sand and set there until it got dark, and then he come on back to the quarters.
I just saw one slave try to get away right in hand. They caught him with bloodhounds and brung him back in. The hounds had nearly tore him up, and he was sick a long time. I don’t remember his name, but he wasn’t one of the old regular negroes.
In Texas we had a church where we could go. I think it was a white church and they just let the negroes have it when they got a preacher
sometimes. My mammy took me sometimes, and she loved to sing them salvation songs.
We used to carry news from one plantation to the other I reckon, ’cause mammy would tell about things going on some other plantation and I know she never been there.
Christmas morning we always got some brown sugar candy or some molasses to pull, and we children was up bright and early to get that ‘lasses pull. I tell you! And in the winter we played skeeting on the ice when the water frose over. No, I don’t mean skating. That’s when you got iron skates, and we didn’t have them things. We just got a running start and jump on the ice and skeet as far as we could go, and then run some more.
I nearly busted my head open, and brother Johnson said: ‘Try it again,’ but after that I was scared to skeet any more.
Mammy say we was down in Texas to get away from the War, but I didn’t see any war and any soldiers. But one day old Master stay after he eat breakfast and when us negroes come in to eat he say: ‘After today I ain’t your master any more. You all as free as I am.’ We just stand look and don’t know what to say about it.
After while pappy got a wagon and some oxen to drive for a white man who was coming to the Cherokee Nation because he had folks here. His name was Dave Mounts and he had a boy named John.
We come with them and stopped at Fort Gibson where my own grand mammy was cooking for the soldiers at the garrison. Her name was Phyllis Brewer and I was named after her. She had a good Cherokee master. My mammy was born on his place.
We stayed with her about a week and then we moved out on Four Mile Creek to live. She died on Fourteen-Mile Creek about a year later.
When we first went to Four Mile Creek I seen negro women chopping wood and ask them who they work for and I found out they didn’t know they was free yet.
After a while my pappy and mammy both died, and I was took care of by my aunt Elsie Vann. She took my brother Johnson too, but I don’t know who took Harry Vann.
I was married to George Petite, and I had on a white underdress and black high-top shoes, and a large cream colored hat, and on top of all I had a blue wool dress with tassels all around the bottom of it. That dress was for me to eat the terrible supper in. That what we called the wedding
supper because we eat too much of it. Just dances all night, too! I was at Mandy Foster’s house in Fort Gibson, and the preacher was Reverend Barrows. I had that dress a long time, but it is gone now. I still got the little sun bonnet I wore to church in Texas.
We had six children, but all are dead but George, Tish, and Annie now. Yes, they tell me Abraham Lincoln set me free, and I love to look at his picture on the wall in the school house at Four Mile branch where they have church. My grand mammy kind of help start that church, and I think everybody ought to belong to some church.
I want to say again my Master Harnage was Indian, but he was a good man and mighty good to us slaves, and you can see I am more than six feet high and they say I weighs over a hundred and sixty, even if my hair is snow white.
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CHARLOTTE JOHNSON WHITE
AGE 88 FORT GIBSON, OKLAHOMA
Near as I ever know, I was born in the year of 1850, away back in the hills east of Tahlequah; the Cherokee folks called it the Flint District and old master Ben Johnson lived somewheres about ten miles east of the big Indian town, Tahlequah. Never did know just where his farm was, and when the new towns of the country spring up it make it that much harder for me to figure out just where he lived and where at I was born.
Don’t know much about own folks either, ‘ceptin’ that my mother’s name was Elasey Johnson and my pappy’s name was Banjo Lastley, who one time lived ’round where Lenapah now is. There was one brother name of Turner Whitmire Johnson, and a half sister name of Jennie Miller
Lastley, who is still living down in Muskogee, but brother Turner been dead most 40 year ago I guess. Pappy was belonging to another master, that’s how come my folks’ name was different, but I kept the old Johnson name, even though the old master was the meanest kind of a man.
His wife, Mistress Anna, died when one of the children was born; maybe that’s why he was so mean, just worried all the time. The master lived in a double log house, with a double fireplace in the middle of two rooms, and I was one of the girls who stayed in the house to take care of the children. How many children they had I never remember and I don’t remember the names, but they was all pretty mean, like the master and the overseer that drive the folks who work in the field.
The cabin where I live with my mother was a two-room log house having two doors that open right into the yard. There was no gallery on the slave cabins and no windows, so the corners of the rooms get dark early and sometime I get pretty scared before mother got in from the fields in the evening. She be gone all the day and always leave me a big baked sweet potato on the board above the fireplace and then I eat about noon for my dinner.
That was before I got big enough to work in the master’s house and take care of the children. She always work in the fields; she was sick all the time, but that didn’t keep her out of the fields or the garden work. Sometimes she be so sick she could barely get out of the old wood bunk when the morning work call sound on the farm.
One day my mother couldn’t get up and the old master come around to see about it, and he yelled, ‘Get out of here and get yourself in the fields.’ She tried to go but was too sick to work. She got to the door alright; couldn’t hurry fast enough for the old master though, so he pushed her in a little ditch that was by the cabin and whipped her back with the lash, then he reached down and rolled her over so’s he could beat her face and neck. She didn’t live long after that and I guess the whippings helped to kill her, but she better off dead than just living for the whip.
Time I was twelve year old I was tendin’ the master’s children like what they tell me to do, and then one day somehow I drop one of them right by where the old master was burning some brush in the yard. ‘What you do that for?’ he yelled, and while I was stopping to pick up the baby he grabbed me and shoved me into the fire! I went into that fire head first, but I never know how I got out. See this old scarred face? That’s
what I got from the fire, and inside my lips is burned off, and my back is scarred with lashings that’ll be with me when I meet my Jesus!
Them things help me remember about the slave days and how once when I got sick of being treated mean by everybody after mother died, I slipped off in the woods to get away and wandered ’round ’till I come to a place folks said was Scullyville. On the way I eat berries and chew bark from the trees, and one feed I got from some colored people on the way.
But the old master track me down and there I is back at the old farm for more whippings. Then I was give away to my Aunt Easter Johnson, but she Was a mean woman–mean to everybody. She had a boy six year old. That boy got to crying one day and she grabbed up a big club and beat her own child to death. Then she laughed about it! Like she was crazy, I guess. And the only thing was done to her was a locking up in the chicken house, ending up with a salt and pepper whipping.
All the slaves wore cotton clothes in the summer, wool jackets in the winter and brass-toed shoes made from the hide of some old cow that wasn’t no good milker anymore. I lost the first pair of shoes they give me and had to go barefoot all the winter. Out in a thicket I had seen a rabbit so I started after it, but took my shoes and set them down so’s I could sneak up without making noise. Then I miss the rabbit and go back for the shoes but they was nowhere I could find them. When Master Johnson find out the shoes was lost I got another whipping.
I hear about the slaves being free when maybe a hundred soldiers come to the house. They was a pretty sight settin’ on the horses, and the men had on blue uniforms with little caps. ‘All the slaves is free’ one of the men said, and after that I just told everybody, ‘I is a free Negro now and I ain’t goin’ to work for nobody!’
A long time after the war is over and everybody is free of the masters, I get down to Muldrow, Okla., and that’s where I join the church. For 58 year I belong to the colored Baptists and I learn that everybody ought to be good while they is living so’s they will have a better restin’ place when they die.
In 1891, I met a good man, Randolph White, and we got married. I still got some of the pieces or scraps of my weddin’ dress, a cotton dress it was, with lots of colors printed on it–with colors like the Indians use to wear.
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SARAH WILSON
AGE 87 FORT GIBSON, OKLA.
I was a Cherokee slave and now I am a Cherokee freedwoman, and besides that I am a quarter Cherokee my own self. And this is the way it is.
I was born in 1850 along the Arkansas river about half way between Fort Smith and old Fort Coffee and the Skullyville boat landing on the river. The farm place was on the north side of the river on the old wagon road what run from Fort Smith out to Fort Gibson, and that old road was like you couldn’t hardly call a road when I first remember seeing it. The ox teams bog down to they bellies in some places, and the wagon wheel mighty nigh bust on the big rocks in some places.
I remember seeing soldiers coming along that old road lots of times, and freighting wagons, and wagons what we all know carry whiskey, and that was breaking the law, too! Them soldiers catch the man with the whiskey they sure put him up for a long time, less’n he put some silver in they hands. That’s what my Uncle Nick say. That Uncle Nick a mean Negro, and he ought to know about that.
Like I tell you, I am a quarter Cherokee. My mammy was named Adeline and she belong to old Master Ben Johnson. Old Master Ben bring my grandmammy out to that Sequoyah district way back when they call it Arkansas, mammy tell me, and God only know who my mammy’s pa is, but mine was Old Master Ben’s boy, Ned Johnson.
Old Master Ben come from Tennessee when he was still a young man, and he bring a whole passel of slaves and my mammy say they all was kin to one another, all the slaves I mean. He was a white man that married a Cherokee woman, and he was a devil on this earth. I don’t want to talk about him none.
White folks was mean to us like the devil, and so I just let them pass. When I say my brothers and sisters I mean my half brothers and sisters, you know, but maybe some of them was my whole kin anyways, I don’t know. They was Lottie that was sold off to a Starr because she wouldn’t have a baby, and Ed, Dave, Ben, Jim and Ned.
My name is Sarah now but it was Annie until I was eight years old. My old Mistress’name was Annie and she name me that, and Mammy was
afraid to change it until old Mistress died, then she change it. She hate old Mistress and that name too.
Lottie’s name was Annie, too, but Mammy changed it in her own mind but she was afraid to say it out loud, a-feared she would get a whipping. When sister was sold off Mammy tell her to call herself Annie when she was leaving but call herself Lottie when she get over to the Starrs. And she done it too. I seen her after that and she was called Lottie all right.
The Negroes lived all huddled up in a bunch in little one-room log cabins with stick and mud chimneys. We lived in one, and it had beds for us children like shelves in the wall. Mammy used to help us up into them.
Grandmammy was mighty old and mistress was old too. Grandmammy set on the Master’s porch and minded the baby mostly. I think it was Young Master’s. He was married to a Cherokee girl. They was several of the boys but only one girl, Nicie. The old Master’s boys were Aaron, John, Ned, Cy and Nathan. They lived in a double log house made out of square hewed logs, and with a double fireplace out of rock where they warmed theirselves on one side and cooked on the other. They had a long front porch where they set most of the time in the summer, and slept on it too.
There was over a hundred acres in the Master’s farm, and it was all bottom land too, and maybe you think he let them slaves off easy! Work from daylight to dark! They all hated him and the overseer too, and before slavery ended my grandmammy was dead and old Mistress was dead and old Master was might feeble and Uncle Nick had run away to the North soldiers and they never got him back. He run away once before, about ten years before I was born, Mammy say, but the Cherokees went over in the Creek Nation and got him back that time.
The way he made the Negroes work so hard, old Master must have been trying to get rich. When they wouldn’t stand for a whipping he would sell them.
I saw him sell a old woman and her son. Must have been my aunt. She was always pestering around trying to get something for herself, and one day she was cleaning the yard he seen her pick up something and put it inside her apron. He flew at her and cussed her, and started like he was going to hit her but she just stood right up to him and never budged, and when he come close she just screamed out loud and run at him with her fingers stuck out straight and jabbed him in the belly. He had a big soft belly, too, and it hurt him. He seen she wasn’t going to be afraid, and he
set out to sell her. He went off on his horse to get some men to come and bid on her and her boy, and all us children was mighty scared about it.
They would have hangings at Fort Smith courthouse, and old Master would take a slave there sometimes to see the hangings, and that slave would come back and tell us all scary stories about the hanging.
One time he whipped a whole bunch of the men on account of a fight in the quarters, and then he took them all to Fort Smith to see a hanging. He tied them all in the wagon, and when they had seen the hanging he asked them if they was scared of them dead men hanging up there. They all said yes, of course, but my old uncle Nick was a bad Negro and he said, ‘No, I aint a-feared of them nor nothing else in this world’, and old Master jumped on him while he was tied and beat him with a rope, and then when they got home he tied old Nick to a’tree and took his shirt off and poured the cat-o-nine tails to him until he fainted away and fell over like* he was dead.
I never forget seeing all that blood all over my uncle, and if I could hate that old Indian any more I guess I would, but I hated him all I could already I reckon.
Old Master wasn’t the only hellion neither. Old Mistress just as bad, and she took most of her wrath out hitting us children all the time. She was afraid of the grown Negroes. Afraid of what they might do while old Master was away, but she beat us children all the time.
She would call me, ‘Come here Annie!’ and I wouldn’t know what to do. If I went when she called ‘Annie’ my mammy would beat me for answering to that name, and if I didn’t go old Mistress would beat me for that. That made me hate both of them, and I got the devil in me and I wouldn’t come to either one. My grandmammy minded the Master’s yard, and she set on the front porch all the time, and when I was called I would run to her and she wouldn’t let anybody touch me.
When I was eight years old Mistress died, and Grandmammy told me why old Mistress picked on me so. She told me about me being half Mister Ned’s blood. Then I knowed why Mister Ned would say, ‘Let her along, she got big big blood in her’, and then laugh.
Young Mister Ned was a devil, too. When his mammy died he went out and ‘blanket married.’ I mean he brung in a half white and half Indian woman and just lived with her.
The slaves would get rations every Monday morning to do them all week. The overseer would weigh and measure according to how many in
the family, and if you run out you just starve till you get some more. We all know the overseer steal some of it for his own self but we can’t do anything, so we get it from the old Master some other way.
One day I was carrying water from the spring and I run up on Grandmammy and Uncle Nick skinning a cow. ‘What you-all doing?’, I say, and they say keep my mouth shut or they kill me. They was stealing from the Master to piece out down at the quarters with. Old Master had so many cows he never did count the difference.
I guess I wasn’t any worse than any the rest of the Negroes, but I was bad to tell little lies. I carry scars on my legs to this day where Old Master whip me for lying, with a raw hide quirt he carry all the time for his horse. When I lie to him he just jump down off’n his horse and whip me good right there.
In slavery days we all ate sweet potatoes all the time. When they didn’t measure out enough of the tame kind we would go out in the woods and get the wild kind. They growed along the river sand between where we lived and Wilson’s Rock, out west of our place.
Then we had boiled sheep and goat, mostly goat, and milk and wild greens and corn pone. I think the goat meat was the best, but I ain had no teeth for forty years now, and a chunk of meat hurts my stomach. So I just eats grits mostly. Besides hoeing in the field, chopping sprouts, shearing sheep, carrying water, cutting firewood, picking cotton and sewing I was the one they picked to work Mistress’ little garden where she raised things from seed they got in Fort Smith. Green peas and beans and radishes and things like that. If we raised a good garden she give me a little of it, and if we had a poor one I got a little anyhow even when she didn’t give it.
For clothes we had homespun cotton all the year round, but in winter we had a sheep skin jacket with the wool left on the inside. Sometimes sheep skin shoes with the wool on the inside and sometimes real cow leather shoes with wood peggings for winter, but always barefooted in summer, all the men and women too.
Lord, I never earned a dime of money in slave days for myself but plenty for the old Master. He would send us out to work the neighbors field and he got paid for it, but we never did see any money.
I remember the first money I ever did see. It was a little while after we was free, and I found a greenback in the road at Fort Gibson and I didn’t know what it was. Mammy said it was money and grabbed for it,
but I was still a hell cat and I run with it. I went to the little sutler store and laid it down and pointed to a pitcher I been wanting. The man took the money and give me the pitcher, but I don’t know to this day how much money it was and how much was the pitcher, but I still got that pitcher put away. It’s all blue and white stripedy.
Most of the work I done off the plantation was sewing. I learned from my Granny and I loved to sew. That was about the only thing I was industrious in. When I was just a little bitsy girl I found a steel needle in the yard that belong to old Mistress. My mammy took it and I cried. She put it in her dress and started for the field. I cried so old Mistress found out why and made Mammy give me the needle for my own.
We had some neighbor Indians named Starr, and Mrs. Starr used me sometimes to sew. She had nine boys and one girl, and she would sew up all they clothes at once to do for a year. She would cut out the cloth for about a week, and then send the word around to all the neighbors, and old Mistress would send me because she couldn’t see good to sew. They would have stacks of drawers, shirts, pants and some dresses all cut out to sew up.
I was the only Negro that would set there and sew in that bunch of women, and they always talked to me nice and when they eat I get part of it too, out in the kitchen.
One Negro girl, Eula Davis, had a mistress sent her too, one time, but she wouldn’t sew. She didn’t like me because she said I was too white and she played off to spite the white people. She got sent home, too.
When old Mistress die I done all the sewing for the family almost. I could sew good enough to go out before I was eight years old, and when I got to be about ten I was better than any other girl on the place for sewing.
I can still quilt without my glasses, and I have sewed all night long many a time while I was watching young Master’s baby after old Mistress died.
They was over a hundred acres in the plantation, and I don’t know how many slaves, but before the War ended lots of the men had run away. Uncle Nick went to the North and never come home, and Grandmammy died about that time.
We was way down across the Red River in Texas at that time, close to Shawneetown of the Choctaw Nation but just across the river on the other side in Texas bottoms. Old Master took us there in covered wagons when
the Yankee soldiers got too close by in the first part of the War. He hired the slaves out to Texas people because he didn’t make any crops down there, and we all lived in kind of
camps. That’s how some of the men and my uncle Nick got to slip off to the north that way.
Old Master just rent and rave all the time we was in Texas. That’s the first time I ever saw a doctor. Before that when a slave sick the old woman give them herbs, but down there one day old Master whip a Negro girl and she fall in the fire, and he had a doctor come out to fix her up where she was burnt. I remember Granny giving me clabber milk when I was sick, and when I was grown I found out it had had medicine in it.
Before freedom we didn’t have no church, but slipped around to the other cabins and had a little singing sometimes. Couldn’t have anybody show us the letters either, and you better not let them catch you pick up a book even to look at the pictures, for it was against a Cherokee law to have a Negro read and write or to teach a Negro.
Some Negroes believed in buckeyes and charms but I never did. Old Master had some good boys, named Aaron, John, Ned, Cy and Nat and they told me the charms was no good. Their sister Nicie told me too, and said when I was sick just come and tell her.
They didn’t tell us anything about Christmas and New Year though, and all we done was work.
When the War was ended we was still in Texas, and when old Master got a letter from Fort Smith telling him the slaves was free he couldn’t read, and young Miss read it to him. He went wild and jumped on her and beat the devil out of her. Said she was lying to him. It near about killed him to let us loose, but he cooled down after awhile and said he would help us all get back home if we wanted to come.
Mammy told him she could bear her own expenses. I remember I didn’t know what ‘expenses’ was, and I thought it was something I was going to have to help carry all the way back.
It was a long time after he knew we was free before he told us. He tried to keep us, I reckon, but had to let us go. He died pretty soon after he told us, and some said his heart just broke and some said some Negroes poisoned him. I didn’t know which.
Anyways we had to straggle back the best way we could, and me and mammy just got along one way and another till we got to a ferry over the Red River and into Arkansas. Then we got some rides and walked some until we got to Fort Smith.
They was a lot of Negro camps there and we stayed awhile and then started out to Fort Gibson because we heard they was giving rations out there.
Mammy knew we was Cherokee anyway, I guess.
That trip was hell on earth. Nobody let us ride and it took us nearly two weeks to walk all that ways, and we nearly starved all the time. We was skin and bones and feet all bloody when we got to the Fort.
We come here to Four Mile Branch to where the Negroes was all setting down, and pretty soon Mammy died.
I married Oliver Wilson on January second, 1878. He used to belong to Mr. DeWitt Wilson of Tahlequah, and I think the old people used to live down at Wilson Rock because my husband used to know all about that place and the place where I was borned. Old Mister DeWitt Wilson give me a pear tree the next year after I was married, and it is still out in my yard and bears every year.
I was married in a white and black checkedy calico apron that I washed for Mr. Tim Walker’s mother Lizzie all day for, over close to Ft. Gibson, and I was sure a happy woman when I married that day.
Him and me both got our land on our Cherokee freedman blood and I have lived to bury my husband and see two great grandchildren so far.
I bless God about Abraham Lincoln. I remember when my mammy sold pictures of him in Fort Smith for a Jew. If he give me my freedom I know he is in Heaven now.
I heard a lot about Jefferson Davis in my life. During the War we hear the Negroes singing the soldier song about hang Jeff Davis to a apple tree, and old Master tell about the time we know Jeff Davis. Old Master say Jeff Davis was just a dragoon soldier out of Fort Gibson when he bring his family out here from Tennessee, and while they was on the road from Fort Smith to where they settled young Jeff Davis and some more dragoon soldiers rid up and talked to him a long time. He say my grandmammy had a bundle on her head, and Jeff Davis say, ‘Where you going Aunty?’ and she was tired and mad and she said, ‘I don’t know, to Hell I reckon’, and all the white soldiers laughed at her and made her that much mader.
I joined the Four Mile Branch church in 1879 and Sam Solomon was a Creek Negro and the first preacher I ever heard preach. Everybody ought to be in the church and ready for that better home on the other side.
All the old slaves I know are dead excepting two, and I will be going pretty soon I reckon, but I’m glad to lived to see the day the Negroes get the right treatment if they work good and behave themselves right.
They don’t have to have no pass to walk abroad no more, and they can all read and write now, but it’s a tarnation shame some of them go and read the wrong kind of things anyways.
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CHANEY RICHARDSON
AGE 90
FORT GIBSON, OKLA.
I was born in the old Caney settlement southeast of Tahlequah on the banks of Caney Creek. Off to the north we could see the big old ridge of Sugar Mountain when the sun shine on him first thing in the morning when we all getting up.
I didn’t know nothing else but some kind of war until I was a grown woman, because when I first can remember my old Master, Charley Rogers, was always on the lookout for somebody or other he was lined up against in the big feud.
My master and all the rest of the folks was Cherokees, and they’d been killing each other off in the feud ever since long before I was borned, and jest because old Master have a big farm and three-four families of Negroes them other Cherokees keep on pestering his stuff all the time. Us children was always afeared to go any place less’n some of the grown folks was along.
We didn’t know what we was a-feared of, but we heard the Master and Mistress talking ’bout ‘another Party killing’ and we stuck close to the place.
Old Mistress’ name was Nancy Rogers, but I was a orphan after I was a big girl and I called her ‘Aunt’ and ‘Mama’ like I did when I was little. You see my own mammy was the house woman and I was raised in the house, and I heard the little children call old mistress ‘mama’ and so I did too. She never did make me stop.
My pappy and mammy and us children lived in a one-room log cabin close to the creek bank and just a little piece from old Master’s house.
My pappy’s name was Joe Tucker and my mammy’s name was Ruth Tucker. They belonged to a man named Tucker before I was born and he sold them to Master Charley Rogers and he just let them go on by the same name if they wanted to, because last name didn’t mean nothing to a slave anyways. The folks jest called my pappy ‘ Charley Rogers’ boy Joe.’
I already had two sisters, Mary and Mandy, when I was born, and putty soon I had a baby brother, Louis. Mammy worked at the Big House and took me along every day. When I was a little bigger I would help hold the hank when she done the spinning and old Mistress done a lot of the weaving and some knitting. She jest set by the window and knit most all of the time.
When we weave the cloth we had a big loom out on the gallery, and Miss Nancy tell us how to do it.
Mammy eat at our own cabin, and we had lots of game meat and fish the boys get in the Caney Creek. Mammy bring down deer meat and wild turkey sometimes, that the Indian boys git on Sugar Mountain.
Then we had corn bread, dried bean bread and green stuff out’n Master’s patch. Mammy make the bean bread when we git short of corn meal and nobody going to the mill right away. She take and bile the beans and mash them up in some meal and that make it go a long ways.
The slaves didn’t have no garden ’cause they work in old Master’s garden and make enough for everybody to have some anyway.
When I was about 10 years old that feud got so bad the Indians was always talking about getting their horses and cattle killed and their slaves harmed. I was too little to know how bad it was until one morning my own mammy went off somewhere down the road to git some stuff to dye cloth and she didn’t come back.
Lots of the young Indian bucks on both sides of the feud would ride around the woods at night, and old Master got powerful oneasy about my mammy and had all the neighbors and slaves out looking for her, but nobody find her.
It was about a week later that two Indian men rid up and ast old master wasn’t his gal Ruth gone. He says yes, and they take one of the slaves along with a wagon to show where they seen her.
They find her in some bushes where she’d been getting bark to set the dyes, and she been dead all the time. Somebody done hit her in the head with a club and shot her through and through with a bullet too. She was so swole up they couldn’t lift her up and jest had to make a deep hole right along side of her and roll her in it she was so bad mortified.
Old Master nearly go crazy he was so mad, and the young Cherokee men ride the woods every night for about a month, but they never catch on to who done it.
because I never see my sisters and brother for a long time after the Civil War, and for me, I have to go live with a new mistress that was a Cherokee neighbor. Her name was Hannah Ross, and she raised me until I was grown.
I was her home girl, and she and me did a lot of spinning and weaving too. I helped the cook and carried water and milked. I carried the water in a home-made pegging set on my head. Them peggings was kind of buckets made out of staves set around a bottom and didn’t have no handle.
I can remember weaving with Miss Hannah Ross. She would weave a strip of white and one of yellow and one of brown to make it pretty. She had a reel that would pop every time it got to half skein so she would know to stop and fill it up again. We used copperas and some kind of bark she bought at the store to dye with. It was cotton clothes winter and summer for the slaves, too, I’ll tell you.
When the Civil War come along we seen lots of white soldiers in them brown butternut
suits all over the place, and about all the Indian men was in it too. Old master Charley Rogers’ boy Charley went along too. Then pretty soon–it seem like about a year–a lot of the Cherokee men come back home and say they not going back to the War with that General Cooper and some of them go off the Federal side because the captain go to the Federal side too.
Somebody come along and tell me my own pappy have to go in the war and I think they say he on the Copper side, and then after while Miss Hannah tell me he git kilt over in Arkansas.
I was so grieved all the time I don’t remember much what went on, but I know pretty soon my Cherokee folks had all the stuff they had et up by the soldiers and they was jest a few wagons and mules left.
All the slaves was piled in together and some of the grown ones walking, and they took us way down across the big river and kept us in the bottoms a long time until the War was over.
We lived in a kind of a camp, but I was too little to know where they got the grub to feed us with. Most all the Negro men was off somewhere in the War.
Then one day they had to bust up the camp and some Federal soldiers go with us and we all start back home. We git to a place where all the houses is burned down and I ask what is that place. Miss Hannah say: ‘Skullyville, child. That’s where they had part of the War.’
All the slaves was set out when we git to Fort Gibson, and the soldiers say we all free now. They give us grub and clothes to the Negroes at that place. It wasn’t no town but a fort place and a patch of big trees.
I think old Master sell the children or give them out to somebody then,
because I never see my sisters and brother for a long time after the Civil War, and for me, I have to go live with a new mistress that was a Cherokee neighbor. Her name was Hannah Ross, and she raised me until I was grown.
I was her home girl, and she and me did a lot of spinning and weaving too. I helped the cook and carried water and milked. I carried the water in a home-made pegging set on my head. Them peggings was kind of buckets made out of staves set around a bottom and didn’t have no handle.
I can remember weaving with Miss Hannah Ross. She would weave a strip of white and one of yellow and one of brown to make it pretty. She had a reel that would pop every time it got to half skein so she would know to stop and fill it up again. We used copperas and some kind of bark she bought at the store to dye with. It was cotton clothes winter and summer for the slaves, too, I’ll tell you.
When the Civil War come along we seen lots of white soldiers in them brown butternut suits all over the place, and about all the Indian men was in it too. Old master Charley Rogers’ boy Charley went along too. Then pretty soon–it seem like about a year–a lot of the Cherokee men come back home and say they not going back to the War with that General Cooper and some of them go off the Federal side because the captain go to the Federal side too.
Somebody come along and tell me my own pappy have to go in the war and I think they say he on the Copper side, and then after while Miss Hannah tell me he git kilt over in Arkansas.
I was so grieved all the time I don’t remember much what went on, but I know pretty soon my Cherokee folks had all the stuff they had et up by the soldiers and they was jest a few wagons and mules left.
All the slaves was piled in together and some of the grown ones walking, and they took us way down across the big river and kept us in the bottoms a long time until the War was over.
We lived in a kind of a camp, but I was too little to know where they got the grub to feed us with. Most all the Negro men was off somewhere in the War.
Then one day they had to bust up the camp and some Federal soldiers go with us and we all start back home. We git to a place where all the houses is burned down and I ask what is that place. Miss Hannah say: ‘Skullyville, child. That’s where they had part of the War.’
All the slaves was set out when we git to Fort Gibson, and the soldiers say we all free now.
They give us grub and clothes to the Negroes at that place. It wasn’t no town but a fort place and a patch of big trees.
Miss Hannah take me to her place and I work there until I was grown. I didn’t git any money that I seen, but I got a good place to stay.
Pretty soon I married Ran Lovely and we lived in a double log house here at Fort Gibson.
Then my second husband was Henry Richardson, but he’s been dead for years, too. We had six children, but they all dead but one.
I didn’t want slavery to be over with, mostly because we had the War I reckon. All that trouble made me the loss of my mammy and pappy, and I was always treated good when I was a slave.
When it was over I had rather be at home like I was.
None of the Cherokees ever whipped us, and my mistress give me some mighty fine rules to live by to git along in the world, too.
The Cherokees didn’t have no jail for Negroes and no jail for themselves either. If a man done a crime he come back to take his punishment without being locked up.
None of the Negroes ran away when I was a child that I know of. We all had plenty to eat. The Negroes didn’t have no school and so I can’t read and write, but they did have a school after the War, I hear. But we had a church made out of a brush arbor and we would sing good songs in Cherokee sometimes.
I always got Sunday off to play, and at night I could go git a piece of sugar or something to eat before I went to bed and Mistress didn’t care.
We played bread-and-butter and the boys played hide the switch. The one found the switch got to whip the one he wanted to.
When I got sick they give me some kind of tea from weeds, and if I et too many roasting ears and swole up they biled gourds and give me the liquor off’n them to make me throw up.
I’ve been a good church-goer all my life until I git too feeble, and I still understand and talk Cherokee language and love to hear songs and parts of the Bible in it because it make me think about the time I was a little girl before my mammy and pappy leave me.
From the book, “Red Over Black: Black Slavery Among the Cherokee Indians”, by Rudia Halliburton, Jr., Greenwood Press. 1977.
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NED THOMPSOM
Ned Thompsom was interviewed in Henryetta, Oklahoma, by W.P.A. field worker Grace Kelley in August 1937. Source: Oklahoma Historical Society, Indian Pioneer History, Vol. 90
Grandfather was an Alabama slave. His master had a lot of boys who were named Tom, so as Grandfather took care of the cows all the time when he was a boy, they started to calling him “Cow Tom” when they wanted him. Each boy called according to his work to keep them all from answering. That named stayed with Grandfather all his life. When the agreement was made to sell the land in Alabama for land here, he was forced to follow his master, to see if the land was suitable to trade. That trip was made two years prior to immigration.
There were no towns, but they crossed the Arkansas River southwest of Fort Smith on horseback, then went southwest of Fort Smith on horseback, then went southeast of Checotah, due northwest to North Fork, and then south. As they were going northwest, they passed a high hill, and saw some birds flying towards them. He thought there must be water up there, and the birds had been there to drink, but others said it was too high a hill to have water on top of it. They went to see, and found a spring that had been chopped out before 1832. It is thought that some Mexicans had chopped out the spring, as they came through going south, as they explored clear to Fort Sill. Grandfather then returned to Alabama, and sent his wife and children with the immigration, but he stayed and fought in the Florida War. That was similar to the Green Peach War, as it was just between Indians. When the Indians emigrated they brought their Negroes, just as they did their property or stock. They ate and were clothed, just as the Indians saw fit to furnish them. When Grandmother came, her boat sank, and only a few of her people lived. Grandfather was an interpreter in 1832, and up to 1866.
The only Negroes who had to work hard were the ones who belonged to the half-breeds. As the Indian didn’t do work, he didn’t expect this slaves to do much. Two acres was a big farm, and the Indians would have from eight to ten Negroes to attend it, which was plentiful. The Negroes had little log huts with dirt floors, around their owner’s house. Most of the Indians wouldn’t sell their Negroes, so they had a great many, as the Negroes usually had big families. The men who owned slaves were: Dave Barnett, Ben Marshall, Lee Hawkins, D.N. McIntosh, Watt Grayson, C.W. Stidman, Sooka Colonel, and Yargee.
Everybody got their goods by ox wagon from Fort Smith. So, when some of these large slave owners were without money and needed supplies, two or three of them would take a load of Negroes to Fort Smith, and sell them to buy the supplies they needed. Some of the slave owners took the Negroes to Paris, Texas, to sell.
I was a child and can’t remember all about it, but we were going to Fort Gibson, and the Civil War had just started. We went through a battlefield where there were many dead persons. Some were white, and some were Indians. It was six or seven miles east of High Spring. There was a house close, and there were some who were living in the house; but, the wounded were in there on beds. One of my sisters had bad dreams, and cried all night because of what she had seen. The dead were in the cornrows.
It was on that same trip that we heard that we would pass Honey Spring. We children were anxious to come to it, for we loved honey. When we got there, there was only water in the spring, and we were disappointed.
When the War came to a close, the commission met at Fort Smith, and the Indians had to adopt tne Negroes into the Creek Nation. The Indians first said that since the government had taken the Negroes from the Indians, now the government could take care of them. But finally the Treaty of 1866 was signed.
[Editor’s note: The following section talks about the Green Peach War.]
Samuel Checote was the chief. Isparhechar didn’t like the Creek Constitution, and rebelled against the Indian government, and the Creek tribe was divided. My people and I were on Checote’s side. The people who lived out here by the Rock Store were on Isparhechar’s side.
One scrimmage took place on a flat rock west of Okemah, where seven or eight men were killed, who belonged to both sides. My cousin, Joe Barnett, who was a Light Horsemen captain, and Sam Scott, an Indian, were killed by Isparhechar’s men.
I was shot in the shoulder, on both sides of the neck. We were going west, and forty or fifty of them were coming east. We didn’t see each other until we were real close. At ten o’clock in the morning, Isparhechar’s people had passed the Sac and Fox line, and the Indian agent and the chief of the Sac and Fox stopped us. Then we came back, and the government sent soldiers, Colonel Bates and others, who captured the Isparhechar men and took them to Fort Gibson. After they had signed a peace contract, the soldiers escorted them back to their own homes. Sam Checote didn’t go out, but gave orders trying to subdue them and make them obey the Creek law. Pleasant Porter was the manager at that time; he was chief after statehood.
The old Indians had quite a town [High Spring Council] on the mountain due north of Hichita. My uncle was a blacksmith there. That town was all burned down during the Civil War.
This old trail [Old Trail of 1872] went between Fort Scott, Kansas, and Fort Sill, Indian territory. General Custer and General Grayson passed through on it in 1872. I was a young man then. It crossed the Arkansas River north of the place where Muskogee is, passed through Okmulgee, and between that stump and this porch. There were no towns then, though. To go to that house, go north two miles from the Rock Store, which is two miles north and One east of the Okfuskee and Okmulgee County line. Turn to Highway 75, turn west one mile, south to the second house, turn west about a block or a quarter of a mile. This house is Katy Rentie’s old home. The Government Trail in the Civil War went from Muskogee to Hoffman, crossed at Grayson, came to the Rock Store and went on somewhere close to Spring Hill or Pharoah.
I was a strong young man when they tore the old log house down and rebuilt the new rock Council House [at Okmulgee]. I had a wagon and team, and helped with the hauling. After the log house was torn down, it had to be hauled away. All the lumber was hauled from Muskogee, mostly by ox teams. The rocks were native stone from south of Okmulgee. I remember Bill, George, and Mr. Fryer, and Frank Wilson, Mr. McDermott, who owned the store near Okemah, did the stonework. C.W. Turner was the man at Muskogee who sold the building material.
[Editor’s note: In the following paragraphs, Thompson dicusses punishments in the Creek Nation at Muskogee.] The price of the article wasn’t considered in those days. It was as bad to steal a lead pencil as a cow or horse. If you stole a pen or a horse, the penalty was fifty lashes for the first offense, a hundred for the second offense, and death if you were caught stealing for the third time. If you stole some stock, and a person saw you driving them away, he came to you and told you where they were, when he saw them, and, if he knew you, he told who was driving them, or described you as well as possible. Everyone helped to keep stealing down. Then you had a trial, and you had to prove that you didn’t steal them, if you were innocent. If you proved that some person had told a falsehood on you, just to get you punished, this person got the punishment that you would have gotten, so there wasn’t much perjury. One time I followed some stock from sixty miles east of here clear to the Texas border, where I found them, and brought them back.
The Indians not the government, broke the treaties. (Emphasis mine). Now, I haven’t anything against the Indians, but they are always saying that the government broke all their treaties. They never say how they broke them all themselves. The government wouldn’t allow anyone to live in the Indian’s country without the Indian’s consent. He charged $1.00 a month for that consent. Then, the Indians allowed the non-citizens, both black and white, to marry their daughters (no word mentioned on whether black or white females could marry the sons- my emphasis).—and to raise half-breed children. The Indian had no control over these non-citizens.
If they committed a crime, the government had the expense of finding, convicting, and punishing them. When the country was getting full, they asked the government’s protection. It was too expensive for the state of Arkansas. It was just bleeding that state to death; and, when the legislature tried to find where all the money was going, it was to the Indian Territory. When they tried to tax the Indians to pay these expenses, they found that it couldn’t be done. Each of the Five Civilized Nations sent men to meet with the Committee of Interior, Charles Curtis and Henry Dawes were two of the men, but they met the committee separately. They found that the Indians had broken every treaty, including the one about fighting each other.
In the treaty which the Indians are always quoting, about the land being theirs as long as the grass grows and the water flows east, there is a clause that says that no state nor dominion shall have the right to control nor govern the land of the Indians. It didn’t say one thing about the Congress having the right to change or make laws governing the land. So in 1896, the law was passed to divide the land among the Indians. To do this, there had to be a roll of each and every Indian. I helped make the roll of the Creeks when I was about forty-eight years old. At the meeting at Eufaula, to sectionize the country, Willie Sapulpa asked, “Does you mean to give land to the Negro?” They said “Yes, you took them into your tribe as one of the Creek Nation in the Treaty of 1866.” Willie Sapulpa said, “I not do it.” General Porter made a speech, and said that there wasn’t anything else they could do. That, as they had broken every treaty, they had not one leg to stand on. So the Negro got his land, not because he had Indian blood in him, but because after the Civil War he had been adopted into the Nation.
(See here, my emphasis.)
The government schools were to teach the Indian the ways of the white man. They were supposed to use English in talking, as well as in reading and writing. When the government found that the money was being wasted, as the Creek language was being used in the schools, they stopped them. Principals of the schools were: William Robertson, Wetumka Mission; Luke McIntosh, Eufaula; Willie Sapulpa, Sapulpa; and Johnson Tiger, Okmulgee Mission.
There were some bears in the mountains. They were between a red color and brown. There were Mexican cougars, too. In the bottoms, the forest was so that thick you couldn’t see, and twelve o’clock noon was as dark as midnight. The grass was so high at this time of year, you had to keep the stock “belled” that you would want to use, for you couldn’t see it. The grass was as high as this gelding, and a man riding on a horse would get wet with dew to his waist. Acorns would be three inches deep in the forests, and that was what the hogs lived on. Big fish were plentiful.
(From “Black Indian Slave Narratives”, by Patrick Minges, John F. Blair, Publisher, 2004, pgs. 135-141.)
RELATED LINKS:
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MANUSCRIPTS
CHEROKEE COLLECTION, NORTHEASTERN OKLAHOMA STATE UNIVERSITY
Cherokee Documents, Vol. 27, “Missions 1849-1873”
John Ross Letters
Miscellaneous Letters
Miscellaneous Letters and Manuscripts Relating to Cherokee History
Andrew Nave Letters
Business Accounts
Business Letters and Accounts
Civil War
Social Correspondence
GEORGIA STATE DEPARTMENT OF ARCHIVES
Cherokee Letters
GILCREASE INSTITUTE OF AMERICAN HISTORY AND ART, TULSA,
OKLAHOMA
Cherokee Documents
Diary of Hannah Hicks
Foreman Papers
Hicks Papers
Hitchcock Papers
John Drew. Papers
John Ross Papers
Worcester-Robertson Papers
HOUGHTON LIBRARY, HARVARD UNIVERSITY
American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions Archives
NATIONAL ARCHIVES, WASHINGTON, D.C.
Arbuckle to Fulton, June 26, 1839, Record Group 393, Records of the United States Continental Commands, 1821- 1920, 2d Military Department, Letters Sent, November 1834-June 1841.
Smith to Dearborn, 1805, Record Group 393, Records of the United States Army Continental Commands, 1821- 1920, Secretary of War Files, Indian Division, No. 484, 1805.
OKLAHOMA HISTORICAL SOCIETY
Ex-Slaves File
Foreman Collection
Foreman Papers
John Drew Papers
TENNESSEE STATE LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES
Cherokee Collection
UNIVERSITY OF TULSA LIBRARY
Alice Robertson Collection
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Cherokee Nation Collection
Documents Relating to the Five Civilized Tribes
John Ross Manuscripts and Papers
CHEROKEE NATIONAL DOCUMENTS
Constitution and Laws of the Cherokee Nation. St. Louis, 1875.
Constitution of the Knights of the Golden Circle.
Eastern Cherokee Census of 1835.
Laws of the Cherokee Nation: Adopted by the Council at Various Periods. Tahlequah, 1852.
SOURCE: “Red Over Black”, pgs. 195-196.