YES, THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN ARGENTINA

Over at Rachels Tavern (http://www.rachelstavern.com  ), a guest poster, Atlasien, wrote an essay on the  disappearance of black people from Argentina (“There Are No Black People in Argentina”), where she writes that there are black people (descendants of enslaved Africans) still living there, and how Argentina suffers from a European identity to where it marginalizes the existence of its black citizens.  One of the commentors left a link to a site that discusses the issue of black people living in Argentina. Here is the link to that excellent essay by Alicia Grinberg of Road to Ethiopia (“Dark Past=AfroArgentines”) on how Argentina has erased the presence of Black/African peoples from its history and its nation’s conscious. The article addresses how so many Argentinians claim that no Black people exist in Argentina and that they never have.
  
Historical documentation and records truthfully bare out that wherever Spaniards went, they brought with them enslaved Africans. Enslaved Africans who have built up, worked, and contributed all across the so-called New World, from Canada, to the United States, to Mexico, to Brazil, to Chile, to Argentina, all the way down to Tierra del Fuego.
  
So, to the lying and denying people of Argentina, to the monstrous erasing of Blacks/Africans and the work to whiteout Blacks from Argentina, to the Argentines who utter the bald face lie, “There are no Black people who live in Argentina”:
  
Ready to take back that lie?
  
Here is an excerpt of the essay:
  
  
 
“The origins of slavery are as old as those of the humankind, since humans exist there always have been those who tried to subjugate others and make them their slaves, and it’s something that persists until our days. despite the supposed human evolution.
 The subject of slavery wasn’t something that was talked about in Argentinean schools when I was educated there, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s still not mentioned today. Black slaves that were brought to Argentina were referred only as a picturesque thing and not in its cruel reality.
niña disfrazada de negra In school presentations when we acted scenes from colonial times, boys were always gentlemen with top hats or, with their faces painted with burnt cork, slaves selling on the street; and we girls were ladies with “peinetones” (like big combs in your hair) or we also darkened our faces to represented black women with our hair rapped in a sort of colorful bandana, and selling “hot empanaditas that burn your teeth”. But nobody taught us the life of those black slaves or what happened to them later, after they gained their freedom, what happened to all that black people that little by little were disappearing first from the society and later from the memory of the people until making us think that there are really no blacks in Argentina, and that because of that “there is no racism” in Argentina.
Well, black people still exist in Argentina, obvious or not, in full daylight with their African features or hidden in the DNA of white people. Unfortunately, racism is very much alive too in Argentina, and not only against blacks.”
  
  
Read the rest of Alicia’s essay, here:  http://ethiopia.limbo13.com/index.php/afroargentines/
NOTABLE AFRO ARGENTINES:
RamonCarrillo.jpg
RAMON CARRILLO
Gabino Ezeiza.jpg
GABINO EZEIZA
  
1e01.jpg
AFRO ARGENTINE UPPER MIDDLE-CLASS WOMEN
  
RELATED LINKS:
  
  
  
“BLACKS IN ARGENTINA—OFFICIALLY A FEW, BUT, MAYBE A MILLION”
 
 
 

Sunday, November 27, 2005



(11-27) 04:00 PDT Buenos Aires — Maria Lamadrid, an Afro-Argentine, vividly recalls the day when her country’s immigration authorities prevented her from boarding a plane for Panama, demanding she present them with a “real passport.”

 

“They told me, ‘This can’t be your passport. There are no blacks in Argentina,’ ” she said of the 2001 incident.
 
The authorities at Ezeiza International Airport had no idea that the woman they detained for six hours is the president of Africa Vive, or “Africa Lives,” a prominent black rights group in Buenos Aires.
 
Lamadrid, who is in her mid-50s, founded the organization in 1996 to combat poverty, lobby for jobs and educational opportunities in the black community and raise awareness of African culture and history in South America’s “whitest” nation. About 97 percent of Argentina’s 39 million inhabitants describe themselves as white.
 
Indeed, most Argentines are of Spanish and Italian descent with almost half believed to be eligible for Italian passports. A long-running joke is that an Argentine is an Italian who speaks Spanish and thinks he’s British.
 
Given the common belief among her fellow citizens that all blacks who reside in Argentina are foreigners, says Lamadrid, her organization — with financial aid from the World Bank and Argentina’s census bureau — is currently working to add an “Afro-descendants” category to the 2010 census.
 
The census project is part of a campaign by a new office launched early this year by the Organization of American States. “The Special Rapporteurship on the Rights of Persons of African Descent,” which says African descendants compose 40 percent of the poor in the Americas, plans to investigate reports of racial discrimination as well as prepare special studies on Latin American citizens of African descent.
 
The number of Argentines with African ancestry is difficult to gauge. Although Africa Vive says there are a million Afro-descendants, anthropologists say the number may be no higher than 10,000. The widespread belief that blacks died off from yellow fever epidemics and during Indian wars in which they were promised freedom for fighting on the front lines is deeply rooted.
 
When famed African American entertainer Josephine Baker visited Argentina in the 1950s, she reportedly asked the biracial minister of public health, Ramon Carillo: ‘Where are the Negroes?’ ” Carillo answered: ‘There are only two, you and I.’ “
 
“In Argentina people consider me African or black, but not Argentine,” said Miguel Yannone, a member of Familia Rumba Nuestra, an Afro-Argentine band.
 
Miriam Gomes, a professor of literature at the University of Buenos Aires, says historians are somewhat to blame for the stereotypes.
 
“Argentina’s history books have been partly responsible for misinformation regarding Africans in Argentine society,” she said. “Argentines say there are no blacks here. If you’re looking for traditional African people with very black skin, you won’t find it. African people in Argentina are of mixed heritage.”
 
African slaves were first brought to Argentina in the 1770s to toil on large haciendas and serve as domestic servants. Slavery wasn’t abolished until 1853.
 
The 1778 census showed that 7,236 of 24,363 Buenos Aires residents, or 30 percent, were African. That figure dropped to 2 percent by 1887 — the final year blacks were included as a separate category. Some rights activists say the government eliminated a black category to promote an image of homogeneity. In its place, census takers introduced euphemistic race classifications.
 
“When I was issued my (government) identification card … they had written wheat as the color of my skin,” said Lucia Molina, director of the Indo-Afro-American House of Culture in the northeastern city of Santa Fe. “They just tell you that you can’t be black.”
 
The military junta that ruled Argentina between 1976 and 1983 further marginalized Afro-Argentine culture as part of a larger wave of repression, according to Alejandro Solomianski, a professor of Latin American Cultural Studies at California State University at Los Angeles. Only after the economy collapsed in 2001 did Afro-Argentines begin to question their identity and resurrect their past culture.
 
“The economic crisis in Argentina left many people … seeing holes in what they were told by the government and in history books,” said Solomianski. “They started realizing that if the government was false then maybe their whole identity was false.”
 
On its Web site, Africa Vive says some of the nation’s most cherished cultural activities — tango and the Sunday barbecue (asado) — are rooted in African culture. It also mentions such well-known Argentines of African descent as musician Jose Maria Morales, composer Casildo Thompson and poet Gabion Ezeiza. The nation’s first president, Bernardino Rivadavia, was called the “Chocolate Dictator” by his political opponents.
Meanwhile, Lamadrid points to her airport detention as an example of how difficult the struggle will be to sway public opinion.
 
“They (customs officials) said: ‘I’m more Argentine than you because my ancestors have been here for five generations,’ ” she said. “It’s sad because the group most afflicted is the youth who grow up not realizing they are black.”
 
And what is so ironic and sad is that those belligerent officials were so ignorant of their own country’s history that they did not realize that  the airport where they gave Ms. Lamadrid such a hard time, is named after an Afro-ArgentineanGabino Ezeiza. Even less known, is that the famous dance, tango, has strong African roots, as I addressed in my post “Tango!”
 
***************************************************************************************
 
 
 
“BLACKS IN ARGENTINA: DISAPPEARING ACTS”:  http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/argentina.html
 
DOCUMENTARY:  “AFROARGENTINES”  –  http://www.offoffoff.com/film/2004/afroargentinos.php
 
 
 
DANIEL SCHAVELZON’S BOOK, “BUENOS AIRES NEGRA”  – 
 
1.
Buenos Aires Negra: La Arqueologia Historica de Una Ciudad Silenciada by Daniel Schavelzon (Paperback – April 2003)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Afryka 1890.jpg
MAP OF AFRICA FROM ENCYCLOPAEDIA BRITANNICA, 1890.
 
 
 

PRESENT-DAY MAP OF EUROPE.

 
 
 
 
AmériqueMéridionaleaugmenté.JPG
MAP OF SOUTH AMERICA IN 1750.
About these ads

51 Comments

Filed under Uncategorized

51 responses to “YES, THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN ARGENTINA

  1. where are the black hoods in BUENOS AIRES ?

  2. RC

    I’ve been here for three days and have only seen 5 black people. where do they live? If they are here.

  3. Pingback: Travelling While Black « kaasa

  4. Zu

    Get a life and enjoy the country, you don’t have to have blacks around you to enjoy a foreign country, this however is not meant to promote or endorse self hate. What is this preoccupation with race as if blacks treat each other well? This from an openminded and tolerant African who is into black consciousness.

    • Ann

      “Get a life and enjoy the country,”

      Of course I would enjoy any country I visited, but, that does not mean I should be oblivious to the people who live in that country. Argentina has Black people living there, and Argentina should not run from its history of slavery and the existence of black citizens living there.

      “you don’t have to have blacks around you to enjoy a foreign country,”

      You do not have to have blacks, whites, natives, etc.—just intelligent respectful people who treat you as a guest when you take the time and initiative to visit them in their country.

      Any person with half a brain would know that. Poland, one of the many countries on my list of to-see places, has no large number of blacks living there, nor a history of enslaving Africans, but, I still do plan to visit Poland. Same goes for Roumania and Norway—places not known at all to be teeming with black faces. I can get along just fine visiting any country—even with no blacks living there.

      Wow, fancy that.

      ” this however is not meant to promote or endorse self hate.”

      Then what are you peddling? Lies to yourself about the history of Argentina?

      There are black people who live in Argentina; have lived there since the days of Spanish enslavement of both Africans and Native First Peoples. Denying that fact does no one any good.

      “What is this preoccupation with race as if blacks treat each other well?”

      As if everyone else treats each other well across the globe?

      There is no preoccupation with blacks.

      There is the reality that blacks/Africans have lived (and still do) all across this hemisphere. A fact that all (White, Argentinean—-and even Blacks) have to face up to.

      So, some blacks do not treat each other well, so then by all means bury the truth of Argentina’s history? That would be no better than running from the truth of the Dirty Wars. (And how many Black Argentineans died in the Dirty Wars, as if any body would give a damn about black Argentineans?)

      “This from an openminded and tolerant African who is into black consciousness.”

      You don’t sound too open-minded to me. Sounds like you are one of those people that Attorney General Eric Holder spoke of when he stated how Americans run from the issue of race in America.

      Ciao!

      • Patricia

        What do you know about us to judge us that way? So you read an essay and maybe visited Argentina for a short period of time and you think that gives you enough argument to label us as racists? Ridiculous and also irresponsible.

        Most of us are aware of black people in Argentina. We also know that black people were brought to Argentina in smaller numbers than to other countries in S. America and that after more of a century of mixing, and no new immigration in a large scale from African countries, of course they will not have many of visual traits of the race. That does not means that we are racists. Actually we, unlike other countries (AKA America) we do not put labels on people such as African-Argentine, Italo-Argentine, in other words, we are all Argentines.

        You said this: “Just as America (and that goes for any country in this hemisphere) should acknowledge its past racial history, so too should Argentina.” What do you really know about what we or how we acknowledge this or any other issue? It sounds to me like you would like us to do the same as they do in the States and you expect acknowledgement in the way Americans do hence imposing your culture onto us.

        It is funny that for a person who said that has travel lots, you do not seem to posses a higher cultural I.Q. and judge other countries and people according to the standards from your country/culture. As an Argentine, I do not take kindly the kind of judgment you pass on us, without really knowing. There is a recognition of black people in Argentina in our culture, language and some practices but they might be subtle, specially for someone who does not take the time to learn about it and just judges.

      • jogzy

        @ Patricia stfu. Typical white people. You personally may claim you’re not racist but there is no denial that the culture that you come from is in denial and racist and it is up to you to change that biased. But obviously most white folks have no interest in such a change.

        But black people are too weak. I am black and will acknowledge this. We fight so hard for white people’s respect and they don’t even respect us in our homeland. Ebola and the lack of action prior to the fact it may spread to Europe is a prime example. We need to stop looking to white people for help and stand up and take what is rightfully ours. White countries don’t think twice about stealing and killing other for things that aren’t even under their control.

  5. Zu

    Anne – You need to lighten up. Visitors to this blog should please know that you’re not a representative of Africans / blacks, you’re on a mission of your own which blacks have nothing to do with. I’m going to repeat this, I’m an African who spent 2 years in Argentina and had no problem with racism. The way I carried myself could have done me a favour. Classism, yes I spotted that. Yes there are very few or no blacks in Argentina, but this is not to say the country is racist, at the same time its not to say she is not, this is to say the country is no worse than others.

    Your problems are not Argentines’, the current generation of Argentines did not kill Africans. Expecting them to share with the world what happened to those Africans on the one hand, and in a way holding them responsible for the ‘extinction’ of Africans in Argentina on the other, are two different things. Methinks you are out to instil a sense of guilt, which means you’re holding the current generation responsible.

    You’re not even an Argentine or South American for heaven’s sake. Have you finished dealing with racism in the US? I think not.

    I know exactly what you’re doing. African Americans do the same thing to the current generation of Africans. You have it in your un/conscious mind that Africans sold your forefathers to slave traders and have built a wall between yourselves and Africans.

    The guilt you’re trying to instil in Argentines is the guilt you AAs instil in Africans and it doesn’t work, we’re not feeling guilty about slavery and have no reason to, we did not sell or enslave your forefathers. Try other means to get to the bottom of the truth, or give up the fight you won’t get anywhere. Throwing tantrums on the internet will not provide you with answers.

    African Americans are known the world over for their preoccupation with race, racism, the blame game and their hardened attitudes. I won’t allow AAs to shape my attitude and make things difficult for me, this is not to say I suck up to people, I don’t and you will not make me feel I do. Not forgetting where one comes from is one thing and holding on to and living in the past another.

    I’m not going to live in the past, thank you very much but I’m not doing that. Any black / African who wants to move on and enjoy life and the diversity it offers, while celebrating his/her blackness would make a point of not associating with African Americans, I find you guys suffocating to say the least. Go and dig the truth in the US and stop flying around harassing others about issues in their countries when your country is the worst case scenario.

    Maybe you should throw away your passport and stick to touring the US. You’re now taking your attitude to Poland, the Polish would not respond well to you if you don’t lighten and soften up. The Polish are different from the Argentines who might have kept face for the sake of being polite.

    People owe you nothing, you’re going to Poland to look for racism, let me tell you, you’re going to find it like you would in the US. Find it and then what? Being aware of racism and knowing how to deal with it is one thing, and being preoccupied with it and looking for it to reinforce whatever stereotypes you’re holding about others another.

    Keep in mind that, given your attitude, citizens of the countries you’re visiting have no reason to treat you any better than they do, take a closer look at yourself and see if you don’t attract what gets thrown at you. Argentines in Argentina owe you nothing, if you have a problem don’t visit the country again. The same goes for Poland or any other country. No citizen should be rattled by foreigners in his/her country.

    I hope your reference to the American Attorney is not based on the assumption that I’m an American because I’m not. I’m an African living in Africa and loving it. I don’t look up to African Americans for one reason, their anger and attitude towards everybody has built a barrier between themselves and others.

    When they speak they are speaking to or for me. I have my countrymen and women who speak to and for me and have taught me to hold my head high and embrace difference without selling out on my skin colour. The next time you leave US do yourself a favour and leave your attitude at immigration and pick it up when you come back home.

    Chau,

    • Ann

      “Anne – You need to lighten up. Visitors to this blog should please know that you’re not a representative of Africans / blacks, you’re on a mission of your own which blacks have nothing to do with. I’m going to repeat this, I’m an African who spent 2 years in Argentina and had no problem with racism. The way I carried myself could have done me a favour. Classism, yes I spotted that. Yes there are very few or no blacks in Argentina, but this is not to say the country is racist, at the same time its not to say she is not, this is to say the country is no worse than others.”

      Wow, absolutely incredible. Do you have that much trouble comprehending a response, or is it that you have a mission of your own to not understand English. As for the supposed mission as you call it, my blog is mine to write what I want about any topic. You do not like what I write, do not read it. I in no way have to kowtow to you or anyone else’s idea of what I should write about. My words are mine and I never represented them as speaking for all Black people.

      The way I have carried myself when visiting foreign countries has given me a very wonderful visit where ever I went: Canada, the Bahamas, Mexico. I enjoyed my visits and still have fond memories of interacting with the locals.

      Classism and racism can be found all across this world; how the locals deal with it reflects on them.

      “Your problems are not Argentines’, the current generation of Argentines did not kill Africans.”

      Now you could at least act as if you have a brain. I never stated that today’s Argentineans slaughtered Afro-Argentines. Just as America (and that goes for any country in this hemisphere) should acknowledge its past racial history, so too should Argentina. If I as an American can acknowledge America’s racial history – near extermination of Native Americans, enslavement of Black Americans, racism against Chinese-Americans, etc.,—then so too should Argentina acknowledge its racial history.

      “Expecting them to share with the world what happened to those Africans on the one hand, and in a way holding them responsible for the ‘extinction’ of Africans in Argentina on the other, are two different things. Methinks you are out to instil a sense of guilt, which means you’re holding the current generation responsible.”

      Father in Heaven, give me strength.

      I don’t expect anyone to share with the world what happened to Afro-Argentineans. Then again, if I can give a damn about Jews of the Holocaust, Hmong of Vietnam, and other racial groups who have suffered in the countries they lived in, then I guess that makes me a horrible person for giving a damn. As for guilt—-people can take their guilt and shove it. I do not want nor need their guilt. Their guilt will not bring back wronged people.The only thing any nation can do is face up to its history and reconcile with it.

      No.

      I only hold current generations (Americans, Africans, Argentines, Germans, etc.) responsible for what they can do today to make their countries a better place for all of their citizens to live in. They owe that much to themselves, and no one else.

      “You’re not even an Argentine or South American for heaven’s sake. Have you finished dealing with racism in the US? I think not.

      I do not have to be an Argentine or South American to care about other human beings on this planet. That may be your narrow-minded way of approaching life but hey if you can live with that outlook—go for it. Finish racism in America, wow, you’re a piece of work.

      So, let me get this straight.

      Care only for Americans, and the rest of the world be damned. Wow, what a miserable way to think. Is that how you confront the world—think only of your little place, your little corner of the world, and the hell with what happens outside of it. No wonder there is much misery around the world—too many people have the outlook that you have: “Me, myself, and mine, and the rest of the world be damned.”

      It is possible to chew gum and walk, but, then again, people like you obviously can only concentrate on only one problem at a time.

      Yes, horror of horrors, it is possible to care about someone else besides yourself.

      You should try it sometime.

      “I know exactly what you’re doing.”

      Oh, so now you are a mind reader.

      “African Americans do the same thing to the current generation of Africans. You have it in your un/conscious mind that Africans sold your forefathers to slave traders and have built a wall between yourselves and Africans.”

      Man-o-man, you are really sliding off into oblivion.

      Who said anything about Africans/slavery? So, some stupid greedy Africans sold Black Americans into slavery,and now, you blame Black Americans for that. As surprising as it may be to you, there is no wall between me and Africans or anyone else—except the wall they would build against me. I can give them just as much respect as they can give me. If I can take the time to learn about Africa and its history, and present, surely Africans can do the same towards Black Americans.

      So, how many walls have you built between yourself and Black Americans?

      “The guilt you’re trying to instil in Argentines is the guilt you AAs instil in Africans and it doesn’t work, we’re not feeling guilty about slavery and have no reason to, we did not sell or enslave your forefathers.”

      Why so much talk about something I did not even mention (Africans selling their own; guilt)? Methinks you have a guilt complex over something that did not even originate in my post.

      Just so, I do not have any problems with today’s Africans. They respect me; I respect them. They take the time to see and respect me as a human being, I do the same towards them.

      ” Try other means to get to the bottom of the truth, or give up the fight you won’t get anywhere. Throwing tantrums on the internet will not provide you with answers.”

      Now who is throwing tantrums?

      As for giving up any fight, not gonna happen. Like the millions of Black Americans before me, I did not get where I am by laying down. My way of “getting at the truth” sends you into a tizzy, and that is your problem.

      Deal with it.

      “African Americans are known the world over for their preoccupation with race, racism, the blame game and their hardened attitudes. I won’t allow AAs to shape my attitude and make things difficult for me, this is not to say I suck up to people, I don’t and you will not make me feel I do.

      Preoccupation with race?

      Hmm.

      So, no one else on this planet is preoccupied with race? Only Black Americans? Not Whites/Europeans? Not Africans? Not Asians? Not Native Americans? Everyone else is so clean-conscious that they treat everyone they meet with dignity and respect, and never commit racist//classist/sexist/heterosexist attitudes towards their fellow humans?

      “I won’t allow AAs to shape my attitude and make things difficult for me,”

      Only you can shape your own attitude—no one else can hold your hand on that. Only a weak person allows their attitude to be shaped by someone else.

      “this is not to say I suck up to people,”

      You repeat that as if you have to convince yourself very mightily of it.

      “Not forgetting where one comes from is one thing and holding on to and living in the past another.”

      Until one (nation, group of people, individual) confronts their past, they will never be able to reconcile with it, and move on into the future.

      “I’m not going to live in the past, thank you very much but I’m not doing that.”

      And neither am I. Acknowledging the past is a part of evolving; running from it is a sign of fear.

      ” Any black / African who wants to move on and enjoy life and the diversity it offers, while celebrating his/her blackness would make a point of not associating with African Americans, I find you guys suffocating to say the least. Go and dig the truth in the US and stop flying around harassing others about issues in their countries when your country is the worst case scenario.

      Millions of Black Americans do move on and enjoy life. Have been doing it for centuries, and still are.

      I find narrow-minded people who fear the truth, people like you, very suffocating. Anytime a Black America does not lockstep kowtow and bite their tongues with people like you, you go into a temper tantrum rage. Is it so bad, your anger at Black Americans, when some of us tell the truth, that it sends you into the stratosphere? Why so much rage against the truth, especially when it is told by a Black American?

      “Go and dig the truth in the US and stop flying around harassing others about issues in their countries when your country is the worst case scenario.”

      Oh, so Africa is a real gem of a place, eh?

      Nigeria (Biafra)? Somalia (Eritrea)? Somalia and Ethiopia?

      It is possible to dig the truth in both America…..and the rest of the world. You should try it.

      Multi-tasking is not as hard as you think it is.

      “Maybe you should throw away your passport and stick to touring the US. You’re now taking your attitude to Poland, the Polish would not respond well to you if you don’t lighten and soften up. The Polish are different from the Argentines who might have kept face for the sake of being polite.”

      I will still visit Poland and enjoy myself there just as I have enjoyed myself where ever I have visited. And you do not get to tell me what to do. Maybe you should throw away your passport. Poles, Argentines, Americans, French, Africans, Asians—–I treat with respect all who treat me with respect.

      I have never had a bad visit in a foreign country as I go there with a positive mind, have learned at least something about their culture, some of their language. So far, that positive attitude has carried me far, and will continue to do so.

      So, I won’t cease my journeys to other lands, no matter how much you rail against it.

      “People owe you nothing, you’re going to Poland to look for racism, let me tell you, you’re going to find it like you would in the US.”

      Going to Poland to look for racism?

      Wow, how stupid can you get? The only racism I will find in Poland is what they will show towards me. I am going to Poland to visit the people and partake of their culture. Fancy that.

      And yes, people owe me nothing, just as I owe them nothing.

      The only thing I and people owe each other is to respect each others humanity.

      “Find it and then what? Being aware of racism and knowing how to deal with it is one thing, and being preoccupied with it and looking for it to reinforce whatever stereotypes you’re holding about others another.”

      Find what? What you are so breathlessly wanting?

      You find what you always find when you visit a foreign country——-yourself.

      I will find what I always find—a great visit, a positive attitude, a desire to learn a little more about a people I often do not get to see on a daily basis.

      No one has to look for racism. It often finds its way to a person. How a person deals with it is what matters. How a person deals with sexism, classism, and all the other “isms” shows how they deal with life. I have been dealing with life very well, and still have much good to show for it. Can you say the same?

      “Keep in mind that, given your attitude, citizens of the countries you’re visiting have no reason to treat you any better than they do, take a closer look at yourself and see if you don’t attract what gets thrown at you.”

      My attitude has not yet caused me any problems. I have yet to say that I have had a bad visit to any country, and will continue to have good visits. I go to enjoy the country and its people. So far, I have attracted much joy and good memories. I expect to have that to continue.

      “Argentines in Argentina owe you nothing, if you have a problem don’t visit the country again.”

      Never said they owed me anything. Don’t expect them to owe me anything.

      “The same goes for Poland or any other country. No citizen should be rattled by foreigners in his/her country.”

      Neither should visitors be rattled when visiting another country. Mutual respect is appreciated the world over. Never met a human who did not desire to respected.

      “I hope your reference to the American Attorney is not based on the assumption that I’m an American because I’m not. I’m an African living in Africa and loving it. I don’t look up to African Americans for one reason, their anger and attitude towards everybody has built a barrier between themselves and others. ”

      I never assumed you were a Black American. I already read where you stated you were an African.

      Americans are not the only people who hate hearing the truth, as you mightily show in your response to my post.

      As for anger and attitudes, many people have built up barriers between themselves and Black Americans and wonder why so many Black Americans question such rude and obstinate behaviour. I commented on Holder because what he stated holds not only true for America, it also holds true for Argentina.

      For any nation.

      “When they speak they are speaking to or for me. I have my countrymen and women who speak to and for me and have taught me to hold my head high and embrace difference without selling out on my skin colour.”

      And so too have many Black Americans spoken for me. So too have my Black parents taught me to hold my head high and have pride in myself.

      “The next time you leave US do yourself a favour and leave your attitude at immigration and pick it up when you come back home.”

      The next time you come to my blog, leave your attitude and fear of the truth of a nation’s history behind.

      You can certainly stand to listen to the truth more.

      It often helps, and many times, can set you free.

      Ciao!

    • Ed

      @ Zu.
      You’re probably looking for a white partner that can only explain your disdain for African Americans

  6. kaasa

    Hi Ann,

    Just wanted to say I’m an African and I support you!
    :-)

    And just so you know, I had a horrific time in Argentina!

    Peace and Love to you Ann.

    • Ann

      Hello, Kaasa.

      Thank you for your kind comments.

      Sorry to hear about your experiences in Argentina. Where ever we Black citizens of the world go, racism will not cease its relentless pursuit of us.

      Stay strong. Be careful.

      Come back any time ;)

  7. MW

    Interesting comments, I stumbled on this blog. I am an african-american and I spent 2weeks in ARG in Feb. 2009. I’m suprised to hear that you kaasa had a horrific time in Argentina. What in particular did you experience? I am fluent in spanish and interacted with many argentines and was treated fine by 90% of the people I encountered. A few people let me know that I didn’t “look american” but beyond that nothing signifcant stands out. Were you living in argentina for a long time? I’m curious.

    • louiza

      if anyone is still active on this website plz respond
      can you tell me how are black people treated
      how do argentines behave themselves are they friendly????
      what about muslims? women with hijab??
      do you see them often?
      plz respond very desperate

  8. Greg

    Hello,
    Last year I had met and began dating a lovely lady from Quito Ecquador, she taught me some things about her country and one of those facts was that there are afro ecquadorians living in a place called the Esmeraldas in the northwest . She said they were treated as outcasts and live in poverty due to their skin color. I found this fascinating.

  9. guille

    it’s true there are no black people in argentina. i’m 20, I live in Buenos Aires and i had never the opportunity to talk with a black person. That’s the sad true.
    however, i think there is no racism here. And the reason of that I think is that we are not influenced by the american racism to black people. So we just can’t understand it. (I learned that there exists discrimination to black people in the u.s, by watching tv); What is true is that if u r black , and you come to this country, people will obviously look at you.
    Don’t be afraid of what people would think, just be.

    • edgar montoya

      Whenever anyone says that there are no black people living in Argentina I think that statement has to be qualified. When I was in Argentina a few years ago,I did see some blacks, albeit very obviously immigrant blacks from Africa, selling their different wares in the streets downtown. Also, I looked up some videos on this topic on Youtube. Blacks, immigrant or native born, are definitely in Argentina. Just not easy to find. If you never ran into a black Argentine in your life it may be because they dont leave their neighborhoods.

  10. Deja

    Hello Ann,

    I am an African-Amerian currently visiting Buenos Aires from Los angeles and will be heading back home in January.

    I really appreciated reading your blog and the “sharing of information” between you and Zu. I learned a great deal from the both of you and I appreciated the dialog. I too thought there were hardly any blacks in Buenos Aires, but after reading your blog, I have a bit more knowledge than I had at first. For one, I had no idea the airport was named after an Afro-Argentine! That blew my mind because in speaking to some of the locals here it seems like they either don’t know or don’t want to talk about why there are few blacks here.

    Anyhow, this question is a bit off subject, but does anyone know where I may find hair products for afro-hair (shampoo, conditioners, hair weave extensions)? If anyone can give me specific addresses and telephone numbers, I’d greatly appreciate it. And I apologize in advance, if this is not the appropriate forum for my question.

    Thanks

  11. Ashley

    Hello, I found this website because I am planning to studyabroad in Argentina next spring. I am black and I am studying spanish and plan to be fluent. Eventhough, I will not let my skin color get in the way of me learning I would like to know if there are people there that will look like me. It’s like I need a sense of comfort away from home. If I can’t find it though then I guess I’ll have to get over it because I am determined to be there. I love Spanish and learning about different cultures and nothing will limit my success. Chao!

  12. Andrew

    Hey
    Im a young black male and i gotta admit that blacks still remain as victims of racism. I have been living in the Dominican Republic for a while now and i can write a book of all my racial encounters i been through. See, dominicans deny being black. There’s hardly any black history taught and has even led to so much hatred w/ the neighbouring black haiti.
    There are still clubs i can’t enter or atleast with security been on high alert. The case has not been different with the other blacks i had conversations w/. However, im planning on visiting argentina for a while and i’ll not let my past experiences deter me. I believe that we was all born to live in this planet earth and we got the right to live and go wherever we want to. And yet, we have the same opportunities and rights as people of other race.
    Thankyou!!

  13. edgar montoya

    Some time ago I saw a documentary entitled,”Tango the Obsession.” One of the people interviewed in this video was an older black gentleman who said that he was a black Argentine and that, interestingly, he thought he was the last black Argentine. Part of this documentary covered the topic of the black Argentines, their history and influence on the tango. Outstanding film.

  14. Magnus Dick

    Racism is a cancer which destroys the soul. Argentinians are probably no more racists than white Americans. We must differentiate between people we like and people whom de do not like. This is not racism. Racism rears its ugly head when we are limited or prevented from reaching our maximum potential. Therefore if you do not like me, fine, if however you will prevent me from flourishing, then no. There might be a lot of ignorant Argentines, no less than there are ignorant Americans. Therein lies the problem. These very ignoramuses, once they learn the truth, are the nicest people on the face of the earth. In many instances that is. This matter is too complex to be treated here but is more limited to anectodes than serious study. I have found blacks whom I abhor and who would make me wish that I would be in Argentina as opposed to being in their company.

  15. QUANTUM-GENIUS

    Argentina With No BLACK PEOPLE???
    lol!
    Funny, As SOUTH-AMERICA Is A BLACK-CONTINENT! The Old Slavery-Yarn Is Nothing More Than A CAUCASIAN-TRICK Stealing Wholesale-CONTINENTS From Native-O-BLOOD NUBUNS Then Populating Them With A & B Bloods Caucasian ANCESTRY Through IMMIGRATION, Who Then Rape And Sperm-Seed Locals Creating An Immitation For A Race-Creed! Look At Argentina…Full Of Hispanic-BASTARDS Who Have No Idea Of Their A & B Blood Heritage In EURAPE!

    Btw Nuwbuns In Brazil (Pele etc), EcQuador, Bolivia, Bahamas, Venezeula, Columbia etc Are Not ARFRAKAN-Slaves But Utlan O-Bloods, Native To South America!
    If There Are No BLACKS In Argentina, Then They Have Been Wiped B y The Dogs!

    • Ken Morgan

      Thank you for being real …..It looks’ like the Edomite’s (Europeans’) have done a great job of Killing us off in Argentina, the old 30 acre’s and a mule line …..the so call fly eating African never came to our rescue us or declare War on Spain, what is it 400 some years and they couldn’t send one person to come search for us or even say we’re sorry????? There are not enough fly’s to curse them with …imagine you and your family being kidnaped and your surviving family members never make an attempt to look for you. .What kind of heatless demons could do that? I never lay claim to the African continent and they have nerve to look down on American Black….here’s my middle finger to them

  16. Pingback: . . . .AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT: PBS – “BLACK IN LATIN AMERICA” | BEAUTIFUL, ALSO, ARE THE SOULS OF MY BLACK SISTERS

  17. jack

    i find it funny how the idiot QUANTUM-GENIUS writes what he says .and calls south america a black continent..he definitely has to be a breeder of stupidity in this world..i see some african americans worried about other nations and not being so proud of being african heritage which is true..But truthfully don’t give a crap about the continent of africa..the people mirror there continent.with violence i see the decay of civilization..in the united states racism is used alot of why people don’t succeed. there is a double standard.you look at the schools and neighborhoods…blacks attack blacks for trying to make it in this world. so you get an education and want to get out of your surrounding your a traitor to your ethnic group..you want to broaden your horizon and want to marry another person not of african descent you are called other names..some african americans are hypocrits .
    black men can date who ever they want or think they can..but when a black woman date outside her race she is criticized or if men who are not black date african american they are slammed dunked and called every name in the book. you don’t fall in love because of color . you love for who the person is…QUANTUM-GENIUS blacks enslaved blacks..you can still see this in africa.. it goes on .. but african american don’t want to see the truth..racism is horrible.. people need to see things as we did when we were younger..were taught to be racist and negative.. not born to do it…STOP LIVING IN THE PAST. argentina is probably and happier not having african american or black living there..crime is very less..

    • jack

      i just feel people should remember you should not be judged by the color of your skin but by your heart and character..people i meet in this world i look at them as my extended family. always excepted..every body has a voice and it should be heard.. i might not like what you say all the time but i will defend your right to say..i am just saying so what if there are no blacks in argentina..i don’t think they care..do they want them. not sure.. not every african american commits crimes..but do you want a certain ethnic group coming to your country if you see the shit that goes on here in the united states.. hell no..racism exist through out the world and guess what african americans.. someday you will feel what reverse discrimination is..i am not sure how to make people stop being racist. education is a start..but in truth the only color most people see higher up on the food chain is green the color of money. so live your life.. sorry quantum -genius for calling you an idiot..i just think african americans if they care so much if there are any of there kind in other countries should be wondring why the motherland africa is imploding..in truth some not all african american are proud of there heritage but won’t do anything for the continent of africa..to me this is bullcrap.. were never going to get rid of racism if don’t stop labeling each other..i’m this or i’m that..

    • Carien

      I am pure african i have never been to the U.S. and the issue of black people enslaving their own people is totally irrelevant, i knw that people who were so called enslaved by black were not slaves, but servants, treated as part of the family never assaulted or whipped, however this type of conversation is not to be brought all we’re doing dissing each other off, we as african people, not black, are people at the end of the day there are argentinean hypocrites, italian and whatever and whatever, i have been to argentina as a travelling sportsman and it was fantastic! met a lot of open minded people and were very down to earth and made life long friends because of who they and not what that racist president of the 19th century tried to instill them with, there are villages in zambia where white people would be killed if seen, bt that type of violence resulted from the racism imposed by white people, however it doesn’t we should not live life live to see whether we should racial occurances in other nations

    • Carien

      Nice blog Anne, keep it alive….

  18. Winter Lover

    I don’t see the big fuss about racism at all, it’s just pointless. I wish to see the day that we can all live as one after all, we breathe the same air don’t we? I’m african decent from (Trinidad and Tobago) to be exact and I’ve been to Argentina. In my two weeks there I never experienced any form of racism there the people were really nice an friendly. Yes I got stared at alot which was wired at first but I got use to it… Then there was the heckeling from men when I walked by but I got use to that too.. I’m preparing to move there in March 2011 with my ‘Argentinian’ boyfriend whom I met in Trinidad imagine that… My last note: you can’t stop racism but don’t let it prevent you from exploring other cultures and places!!! Be brave keep your head up live life to the fullest!!! Racist are douch bags!!!!

  19. Jane

    I am Haitian I am not suprised at all. Anna I really like your blog I agree with you. Blacks all over the world should come together to better our people. I have a son with a white men but I am teaching him about his african ancestry. What the other african said to you was so wrong. I have meant many north, east, west and south all over africa that would agree with you. Many black africans actually agree with many black american and people of african ancestry there feel our pain and share wonderful history about africa. Blacks need to walk up the best way to fight your enemy befriend them and destory the bad people.

  20. Thank you for this great article on Blacks in Argentina. I, too, never thought that there were any Blacks in Argentina,… which in retrospect when you think about it, is totally nonsensical. Who built those cities? If there are Blacks in Brazil, Uruguay, Equador, Venezuela, why shouldn’t there be in Argentina? I really like Ms. Maria Lamadrid who talks about her experience, being an Afro-Argentina. To all, please check out my blog, I try to reestablish African pride, and African history, and African roots. You would definitely enjoy it: http://africanlegends.wordpress.com

  21. Pingback: Afro Descendants of Latin America- Know Thyself Better | The Silver People Chronicle

  22. Pingback: Los Afro Descendientes de Latinoamérica- Conócete a Ti Mismo | Rapsodia Antillana

  23. Taj Mahal

    I am thankful to you for sharing this great post.

  24. Gilewulu V.L.K. Banna

    Thanks for your blog. Why there a no black football players in Argentinia like there are in other South American Countries? I think Argentinia is a highly racist society that do not want to credit blacks for their contributions towards that country freedom. Blacks were promised their freedom for fighting alonside Argentines. What did black get in return? A white priest of Italian descent once told me that Argentines “got rid” of blacks, married their women in order to erase “blackness” from their society. Blacks need to hit back. Dont support football stars like Messi who hails from Aregentinia.

  25. Nessa

    Thank you Anne for you blog, it was very insightful. I will be going on a study abroad trip to Buenos Aires in a few weeks. My initial reason for visiting this country was be emerged into the Spanish culture. But after much research i have devised a complementing focus on Afro-Argentinians. I really enjoyed the dialogue between you and Zu. And I agree: this blog isn’t about racism, the difference between AA’s or paying respect where none is due. It is about awareness. ” Knowledge of the past is a part of evolving; running from it is a sign of fear.” As we live in today, we must make a difference about the NOW–even so, to just acknowledge the truth.

  26. manu

    The black people in argentina ( my country) is inmigration from Africa, brazil or Colombia, the real porcent of black in argentina is less than 1 %

  27. Nick Goreau

    there are barely in blacks in Argentina. I guarantee anyone reading this that on ONE DAY you will see AT MOST 10 blacks. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. I am from Argentina and teach Latin American History in the United States. I am an expert regarding Argentine demographics, immigration to Argentina, as well as the diverse immigrant groups in Argentina. Blacks were systematically killed because they were sent to the front lines of wars in Argentina. Blacks are considered “exotic” in Argentina simply because there are few of them. Many people on this blog claim that there are black people in Argentina, however, the reality couldn’t be further from that claim. Most blacks who reside in Argentina are actually immigrants from either Africa, Colombia, Haiti, Dominican Republic, or other Latin American countries.

    • Edgar Montoya

      Hello Nick, my name is Edgar. Just a bit confused about something you wrote in your post. You wrote that those who said that there were black people in Argentina couldn’t be further from the truth, then stated basically that there WERE blacks there from Africa, Colombia,etc. Technically then are those blacks not IN Argentina? Is your point then that they are not actual Argentine citizens? Fine, and true I suppose on that point. But what about their children who are born there? Are they not then “Argentine”? I have seen snippets of documentaries on this subject on Youtube and wonder if you have seen them, and if so ,what is your opinion on them?

  28. Daniel Webber

    I am a Argentinian who has lived in the States for 49 years. I used to travel to Argentina when I was a kid and the last time i travel there was in 1978 so things may have changed dramatically from then. Having lived in NY, Miami and LA, it was quite noticeable that there were no blacks in Buenos Aires. I remember seeing one at some point and was amazed when I saw her.. I remember asking someone about why there was so few. I got some stupid story that the blacks had been put on ships to be returned to Africa but the boats were intentionally sunk in the ocean. From what I have been told since my last trip is that anyone with dark skin now living in Argentina are usually immigrants from other South American countries. with a good chunk of them coming from Boliva. In case you are interested, i never went back because I was considered a drafter dodger as I was unwilling to go back and do military service. This was maybe 1 year prior ot the Falkland wars.

  29. The real Uzu

    This back and forth was from a while ago, but that Zu character was most likely a race troll, a racist who goes on line to attack a specific group of people (in his case, african americans) while offering a lie-disclaimer that they are a member of that group (he claimed to be blacks, stated he was into black consciousness but hated african americans and thought he should stay away from them…nevermind thats the opposite of black consciousness and African Americans are the ones who created the black consciousness movement).

    Probably just another bigot looking to dehumanize and spread hate freely. The internet is full of them.

  30. John A. Licorish

    Hopefully, one day the eyes of the world would be opened to the truth regarding the intentional, systematic, institutional efforts to erase the presence of Blacks/Africans from the Argentinian landscape. At that time it would become widely known how the descendants of the African slaves were systematically removed from the cities, marginalized, hidden from history and deliberately exposed to events which would have resulted in their high mortality (wars, disease etc.)
    The fact that a great number of Nazis headed to Argentina at the end of WW2 should be informative. Also, has anyone ever seen a black Argentinian representing Argentina or competing for the opportunity to represent their country in any form of sport or competition? I’m willing to bet not.

    • Edgar Montoya

      Regarding the fact that no black Argentine has ever represented Argentina in sports competition, that may be history within the coming years. Google the interesting story of Bayan Mahmud, a refugee from Ghana now living in Argentina. Currently playing in the fourth division of Boca Juniors, with the dream of becoming the first black to ever play for the national team. If you understand Spanish, there are some good documentary and news report clips on him on YouTube.

  31. Ken

    Hello, for those Africans who don’t believe that there is nothing wrong with fact that there aren’t very many Black’s living in Argentina maybe that’s because there is something very wrong with your white washed mind !!! Has it ever accrued to you that there were billion of Black who were kidnapped and brought to this country by force the were murdered and raped estimated around 99 million Black murder just on the trip over!!! If you don’t have a problem with that genocide Then I must say that you are the poster child for white brain washing and ethnic cleansing…. ZU’s comment’s looks like the typical Aunt Jane’s and Uncle Tom’s Coonin that has gone international because you all think: “Master don’t owe me anything I’z just a Happy Coon who allowed Master to build Argentina on the backs of my Black ancestor’s with their blood sweat and tears” ……with not even a grave to show for it???? the wealth they have “today” is because of US(wake the hell UP!!) And to show how much Argentina appreciates Your Black ass You’ll just say it OKAY to allow Argentina to systematically eliminate all the male Argentine slaves and natives then act like we never did a thing wrong!!!!!……Now doesn’t that make you feel all warm and “COON” cuddly inside!!!!!!! As for you Brain dead Low life Africa’s please answer me this question: What kind of Nation allows another Nation (particularly a white Nation) to come in and kidnap, murder and rape “billions” of it’s own people or should I say Family member’s and the African Nation never make “ONE” attempt to get them back ……..And you had 400 years to declare war or do something!!! You Africans and your forefather’s are lower than SCUM!!! there are not enough fly’s and deceases to pay you and your forefathers back …And still today to read your Coon Whitewashed comments: “Master don’t owe us anything” ……You need to shut you stupid unlearned mouth!! and focus on praying for forgiveness from American Blacks!!! ……If you haven’t heard many Black Americans are dropping the African American -Scum name. But knowing you and your Scum African History you’ll figure out a way to WHITE WASH THIS TRUTH TOO……EasyB3 ,

  32. samuel daniels

    Thanks Ann,I must confess,I really appreciate the fighting spirit in you towards making the the whole world,especially the A/As to realise and understand who they truely are and what happened to their forefathers(how they were shippped,used,killed and in the end, their women taken). Like some of our African poets would say “the whites came for 3 things; missionary,slave trade and to steal from us. For me,I know that my being a christian today(thanks to Mary Slessor,Henry Townsend,JP martin, etal) is because of the number one key elements stated above. But the 2 and 3 stated above shouldn’t have been the case,because there was every tendency of returning these people back to Africa where they belong,instead of sending them to be killed. @ Ken Morgan,i would put it to u that u are stupid and a coward of the highest order. How on earth,could u possibly think your forefathers could’ve possibly come for u,when they didn’t have guns like the white masters,nor could they have built big ships like the whites then? As Africans who know who they are,we can never forget our heritage and what happened to our people from the late 15th century during the arival of the portugues and until the time of the arival of the missionaries during the fall of the 18th century(talking about Nigeria,ghana,cot’d ivore etc… The truth is,u have to know about ur historical background and everything that has to do with ur lineage. Nevertheless,we still hold on to the future cos we’re part of it. Thanks!

  33. samuel daniels

    Thanks!

  34. lokete

    hii im from argentina i got to certain things to say if u talk about black people in argentina we imagine someone black being like michael jordan or eddie murphy not like halle berry or rihanna or drake they are considered mulatos so if u see a mulato person and u us americans think hes black but the argentine thinks hes mulato and hes probably an immigrant from brazil or uruguay or colombia they dont categorize him in race just as no argentine person , even some argentines are mulatos like fidel nadal singer, pablo molina singer, alberto lovvel boxer, guillermo lovvel boxer silver medal winner in nazi germany 1936and his son pedro lovell also boxer who played the part of spider rico in rocky balboa but almost all of the rest of the afro population lost the black phenotypes look at it in google and dis is what happened to our black people, ok so now take this mulatto he or she marry a white or already mixed person mestizo or mulato that black part is getting less for each generation when i saw my fathers grandmother photos she was mulata i couldnt see any white features but myself i had blonde straght hair as little kid now its gettin brown but in my cousins its still some black init they look all like arabs from morroco a bit like drake so they are not considered black but drake is in the usa do yu get my point hope so if not look at youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZyE5m-mEO4 all these people claim to be afroargentine and you make your own opinion if you think they are considered black in the usa or not sorry for my bad english at the end its gonna be like in south park no races just bald brown/yellow people

  35. louiza

    could anyone plz respond i’m not black but im wearing the hijab how would they treat us there

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 190 other followers

%d bloggers like this: